Presidential pig hunting.
April 14, 2009
After the hunt
If we soaked all our bullets and bombs with these pigs blood the war would be over a lot faster. Black Jack (General) Pershing soaked his enemy muslim dead with pigs blood and the Phillipines went 40 more years without an outbreak of infidel killing.
I think that’s illegal. It certainly isn’t hunting in any sense of the word. They have slaughterhouses for farms that produce that much meat and those guys aren’t about to sit down to a table full of pork three times a day for year- they gotta be selling the meat, and that’s poaching.
That’s the kind of low respect for any kind of life we have had eight years of leadership from. And I DO want to kill Bin Laden-personally-up and close, tied to a tree and get to skin him like they do a deer but a little at a time and while pouring pigs blood down his half tongueless throat. Two wars to train three SEALS to kill three pirates. The difference between Obama and I- He bowing to the King of saudi Arabia-Uh-we threw the Kings out but when in Rome, so they say. The difference is at the second they shot those pirates we would have dropped tidal wave making daisy cutters into the bays and waterfront area’s where the other loudmouthed Pirates were screaming, “FOUL!!!” from.
I saw a photo-book a guy basicly must have smuggled out of the Korean conflict because publicising photo’s of the war dead was against the law. Imagine those pigs being piles of human bodies piled by bulldosers in the snowy cold 20′ high, row after row after row, thousands of dead guys from one battle. That was Korea and WWII. Guys like Brother Richie were in Combat everyday for almost a year less hospital time, me a couple of months- add one or two. Those WWII and Korean vets when some people try and and figure the difference in days in combat between the WWII vets and the Vietnam vets (Richie has figures on how we had more days of combat on average then the WWII guys) really are like comparing apples and oranges. With over 2+1/2 thousand dead on the first day of the Normandy invasion and thousand on countless other invasions we had thousands of dead guys in those wars that never got a full day of combat, or even a full hour. Guys that put machine guns on a four wheeler and call that hunting are like you said- TEXANS. I wonder if Cheney’s lawyer is at the bottom of the pile. No wonder Cheney thought it was real hunting to go out in a field and have someone hold a bird up for him to shoot- AND STILL THE MF GETS BUCK FEVER!!!!
Subject: Had a Hog Problem
‘HAD’ IS THE KEY WORD HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crazy Texans!!
The Boston Tea Party
March 26, 2009
The Boston Tea Party was an act of revolution and done right in the Brits faces, and cost THEM money. Everybody in this country that is angry at Obama’s Buck Fever with a pen that has resulted in CEO’s getting millions of dollars are missing the point completely. Throwing your own tea in a river costs yourself money and few people see it. Sending a teabag in a letter to the white house, 1600 Pennsylavania Ave. Washington D.C., 20500, is more than just throwing your own tea bag away. Already the Post office is saying they won’t accept letters with tea bags in them because they will mess up the mail machines- Bullshit. I worked in a post office installing automated mail lines. Nobody can open a letter without having all kinds of supervisors there and the very idea that someone could be sending poison or drugs is what will slow them up. Men in full airtight body suits logging each letter and opening each letter and having to test for poisons, finding them clean, and having to mail them anyway- that’s a logjam and a half. If you just put a tag in the envelope the same thing will have to happen but it will happen in Washington. Doing it on the last two weeks of tax returns going in will swamp the post offices. Put loose tea in with powderred sugar so he can drink it sweet. Bonuses aren’t the point at all. AIG alone has sent over $1,000,000,000 to RED CHINA. Obama has set up welfare offices for the third world countries and even Egypt who votes consistantly against us at the UN. Her’es a conversation from one freind.
BOB
OBOMA SUCKS ! @#$
excuse his spelling and read my answer
My Command
March 13, 2009
There seems to be some confusion on the part of some people on the attributes of just what constitutes combat while serveing in the military. Is it all blood and guts, mano e’ mano, fixed bayonets, hand to hand, EVERYTHING blowing up all at once, hiding in a hole, running up or down a hill, digging in, moveing out, or is there a grey area there. Something in the complexities of getting ready for all of that. Different kinds of fighting. Fighting to hold it in. Recon to find a placid place to vent ones rectum or as in Vietnam learning to piss in front of God and everybody. Men, women, kids, and dogs- in public view- along the roadside with old hags and pretty young ladies in lovely oriental dress cackleing and pointing at your white little penis while your bladder burns to empty and their laughter at the funny new American that just can’t piss in public. They can. Their pants are wide legged enough to pull the leg of them all the way up and over their wet spots so that the diminutive THEY can unrinate in public on the side of a bunker or a tree standing up. No western hangups about body functions there. Eventually I get mad enough to fight. Damn this horshit on a full bladder. After several more hours and several more trips to the pisstube I win. Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead to the devil with their laughing smirking eyes take this you oriental devils, I find relief. After a week or so the battle is over and the ladies no longer laugh because they have won and my all American shy bladder is a thing of the past. I have had my bladder turned oriental.
Unfortunately THAT is the only spot designated for us to piss at.
Why did some asshole wrap a piece of tin halfway around the pisstube that only comes up to my knees?
This IS a form of traumatic bladder stress.
Only once after returning home to the world does my Vietnamized bladder find a usefulness. Over there they won. In Louissianna at the downtown office of an oilfield company I worked for when the pretty and sarchastic smirking secretary explained that the “Employees Only” bathroom didn’t mean my lowly type of employee (One that actually worked offshore). She was forceing my paycheck hunting beerdrinking self out into a toiletless parcel of the asphalt jungle. In America my Vietnamized bladder wins because I can’t use a smirking ladie guarded toilet. I have the bladder of a sapper that has infiltrated into a Kamakaze area behind enemy lines.
The employees toilet I cannot use is unfortunately the only spot.
When she leaves her office today she will think the roof leaks until
she remembers me and the fact it isn’t raining. There is a giant puddle behind me in the desserted hall when I leave. Twice now my little white laughed at penis has stopped a pretty girl or girls from laughing at it. I deny all culpability. It is bad luck to fuck with a flaccid little white penis. It has a mind of its own and only can do two things. The pretty oriental ladies think of it as something that I only urinate with.
The pretty young American lady thinks I won’t urinate with it.
The pretty young American lady will never let me do anything else with it either. She wants a man that doesn’t use it to piss thru as that’s disgusting. She uses a bar of soap and water, shampoo and a half an Oz. of perfume to cover up the fact that on occassion she takes the most beautiful thing in the world, and pisses thru it. The basis of all connivery, or at the least the beginning of it.
The Second Ammendment
January 30, 2009
Jo-An is up early to go to work and I’m going through stuff to see what to save or delete. I’m also looking for the Internet poll where we voted on whether or not the 2nd amendment meant each person had a right to bear arms. Some rabid assed idiots want to change that to where only State Militia’s can bear arms.- Militia’s or national Guards? The latter is the Army. We wouldn’t need an amendment to give our armed forces arms would we?
In Alabama in the Alabama State Militia you get to be a Col. in if you donate so much and also happen to be KKK. My Alabama 1st Sgt. was a Col. in the Alabama State Militia. While we were training to break up riots in the 60’s after MLK was assassinated and were having “riots” every Saturday night on post he had his Col’s commission framed and on the wall behind his 1st sgt.s desk. The “Riots” were a entertainment fixture of the old Army in the Deep South.
Actually a couple of large muscular white boys from NYC and about 13-15 of their freinds would get drunk every saturday night. That included the smallest of them who was a trained boxer and wrestler who could kick anybody’s ass. The small and ferocious PFC Budak. Our training unit was predominately white.
Right next door to us and only a paper bag throws away was a predominately Black unit. The Black guys were equally vested in muscular youths that just loved to get drunk on saturday night and fight also. We were billetted in WWII Quonset huts. All together there would be at least 20 guys running through each barracks pounding on each other and yelling and in general letting all that pent up anger about being taken from their homes and forced one way or another into the big green machine. The riots were guys that liked to get drunk and fight having a ball. More than once I’d be trying to sleep in my bunk with my back to the walkway between bunks and some giant black dude running through would would grab me by the shoulder and pull me up where he could see who I was and scowl and say something like , “Your no fun!,” and run on through looking for one of the regular revelers. I really sensed no hatred there, just two groups of guys raised to think the way they did about people of opposite color. They found a sort of what must have been joy in being able to clobber one that wouldn’t rat you out. No knives or guns or clubs. Nothing that would kill or maim anybody, maybe an occasional flying garbage can.
Over 30 years later on a construction job I ran into one of the Black guys. We became fast and loyal freinds. We reminisced about our youth and the Saturday night fights. To make that long story short his outfit was putting him up as a witness to help a foreman from the General Contractor to hang me out to dry- because of a real abusive foreman from my outfit that hated working men over 50. It was to be slam bam screw me man. They didn’t know we were freinds and pretended not to be when under observation. His testimoney not only got my job back, but back pay. Anyway….30 years earlier…..
The littlest fighter, PFC Budak, could have been really mean if he wanted to we found out. But we didn’t find that out because of any soul brothers with debilitating wounds. We found that out when PFC Budak was beat half to death in a redneck bar off post.
If you lived in N.Alabama in the 60’s the descrptive adjective, “redneck,” would have been unneccessary. All the offpost bars were redneck. One night Budak went drinking off post and the usual military /drunk civilian crap happened. A pretty girl showed interest in Budak and he showed interest back and a redneck stepped in and told him to get out that was “His girl.” There were seven rednecks in the bar and seven rednecks with pool cues beat the dogshit out of Budak and threw his bloody butt out into the street. These were what we called the ‘good old days.’ Instead of calling the cops, who would have got seven different stories from the good ‘ol boys and arrested Budak, Budak came straight back to the barracks. He and everybody in the barracks that could fit into all the cars available- including a station wagon packed full- took off for the Bar. A bunch of angry young men in fatigue uniforms, much more than an idiot with a six shot could take care of.
They did a military maneuvre on the bar. First they cut the phone line so nobody could call the police and surrounded the place so nobody could run away.
Then PFC Budak, the little shit from NYC with all the pool cue damage took all seven rednecks, one at a time in a fair fight, and stomped the living dogshit out of them. And that’s a lot of dogshit in a State where an asshole can become a Colonel in the State Militia just because he’s a bigshot in the KKK.
So to those who would have the second amendment changed to read only State Militias can bear arms, do you really want to make it where only the 7 to 1 , KKK idiots can defend you when the cops aren’t around? And the cops won’t do a damn thing until your hurt and bleeding anyway.
A month or two before that a Army Warrant Officer I met was driving to the post and saw some patriotic North Alabama men proving to themselves that soldiers were pussies compared to them. They had a GI on the side of the road and were working him over with a straight razor. They were turning the guy into hamburger. The Warrant Officer told me when he stopped and got out of his car he put his officers hat on and the guy with the straight razor thought he was police because of the gold band on the Warrant’s hat. He took off, but left his license number. The Warrant Oficer took the man to the Hospital on post and he was pronounced dead on arrival. The redneck was tough alright with a weapon on an unarmed man and two assholes holding his arms where he couldn’t move. He proved Rambo was a pipe dream before there was a Rambo.
Earlier this week there was an internet poll on whether or not the Second Amendment meant that INDIVIDUALS had the right to bear arms , or not. Over 97% of Americans don’t want to give up their pistols and rifles, some are undecided and the rest are psychologicly frantic nimrod idiots. So you can bet they will get 97% of the attention of the press.
That doesn’t change the fact that when only criminals can get guns only criminal will have guns. The women and children and even husbands that get shot by angry or depressed in laws will then just be stabbed or poisoned by angry or depressed in laws. Look at the mass murderring blackwater, Dick Cheney’s private American Assassination Army whose purpose is to get rich protecting our diplomats by murdering anyone who gets close to them? Without having to operate under the rules of warfare like- Uhh???? Who were those bozo’s that used to do that kind of stuff before King Bush . Oh what the hell was the name of the group of guys that used to protect our diplomats for 200 years before they became incompetetent for the job? It’s right on the tip of my tongue, and I can’t really even remember the stupid shit they did to be replaced by a privately owned Army anymore Blackwater’s done such a good job. You know! You know! I know you know it just slips my memory right now. They did something stupidly dangerous I remember that, ran away from a fight to climb a hill and put a Flag there just to get their pictures in the paper and left the General to fend for himself. Yeah, it’s coming back to me now- the reason we needed Blackwater. I’m sure Dick Cheney and GW agreed on that one point- The Marines. The US. Marines couldn’t handle it for Christs sake, that was it. And even Jack what’s his face said it in that movie so it must of been true, They couldn’t handle the truth. In WWII I think over 80,000 of them died just because of guns in the pacific. And on D Day in Normandy over 2,500 guys got killed by guns just making a beach head because of guns. That whole war, and Korea, and Vietnam? Marines playing with guns and getting killed for nothing, apparently, if less than 3% of the voters can figure hundreds of thousands of guys died just so we could disarm ourselves without a fight and get away with it. Why did they replace the Marines with mercenaries? For real. Can anyone give one good reason except because mercebaries will murder whoever you point them at? I don’t want them in the US either, They should be declared anti-American like the KKK and watched like worms if they come home.
But the Army Doctors wouldn’t give up and started pouring blood into that guy.. I met HIM months later and he looked like a jigsaw pussle with slash scars all over his face and neck, chest, and arms. He told me after he had been pronounced dead the Doctors had a hard time making the flow of blood in more than the flow of blood out as they sewed franticly and had to re-restart his heart several times. They saved his life. The law caught the bullies, murderers really. As strange as Alabama may seem to us yankees that went there when we didn’t want to, their laws (When they are not being used to enslave todays illiterate poor black men to work on profitable State Prison farms for free) sometimes while harsh make sense. Since the boy soldier had been pronounced dead Alabama law at the time considered it murder, even though the Doctors brought him back. And the aggresor went to prison for murder. It didn’t matter to the law that they brought him back to life because he had been dead the charge was murder.
These folks are neighbors from around here
January 28, 2009
I don’t know who originated this letter but it had to be a Georgia relative on the distaff side of the family, and I’d like to thank them for allowing this insightful look into that side to be published. A letter from Home.
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Innauguration Day 146 years later
January 20, 2009
My Math may not be perfect but somewhere around 146 years ago a scrawny unpopular President signed a paper that free’d the slaves in all the states. Now we have a Black President. At the battle of Gettysburg thousands of men that had never owned a slave threw themselves at thousands of men who were farmers with single shot weapons, bayonets, and muzzle loading cannons. A Rebel General named Picket threw his men at a fortified Union position across a wide open field where everyman that made that charge had to know he was charging to his death. Probably none but a few officers had ever owned a slave. Civil war muskets were pretty much all .58 calibre. And the bullets were lead and they mushroomed when they hit. Most wounds were cured by amputation and for some reason before the advent of antibiotics if one leg had to come off they usually took the other.
They almost made the day but they died on the open field in full view of Union soldiers on the ridges.
It’s always been a matter of firepower even when it was archers riding with charioteers shooting as many arrows as they could while the chariot made a turn just at arrow flight distance from the sword and spear armed enemy they attacked. One archer in a chariot could get maybe ten arrows out and be back out of range. While ten arrows may not be much, if you put an army of 5,000 chariots out there charging spinning and turning ten arrows at a time that’s 500,000 arrows in the first charge. That will chew through some shields just as 5,000 single shot weapons will put 5,000 bullets out every 45 seconds or so with the same effect of a fifty calibre machine Gun or two or three or four.
The Union Army watching from a ridge not under attack by Picket’s suicidal (Aint we all?) troops cheered as Johnny Reb was said to lean into the shower of lead as though it was heavy rainstorm, squinting and pushing forward until they all were dead or severely wounded. The Yanks weren’t cheering at the Rebels terrible loss and their comrades victory, they were cheering the enemies incredible courage.
The suicidal charges to protect our homeland changed from side to side, battle to battle, and even war to war to bring us to a day that a Soul Brother would stand in front of a free audience in Washington D.C. and announce to the world that Freedom and Free Thought would eventualy defeat the tyrants of the world. That leaders would be judged in history by what they built not what they tore down.
Well that’s a good starting point but even as he spoke enemies were sharpening their teeth and pencils and holding their rattles silent on their formaly cloaked tails. And it was mentioned that it was the soldiers that had brought us to this point, that they were still needed to be in harms way. And it didn’t sound like an empty comment like his predecessor making a point once that he had been a fighter pilot. Because when I heard GW say that all I could think was that to be a fighter pilot one had to have trained to fight and fought. Not trained to fight to get out of fighting. I can’t get over that. And I don’t want the making of anymore Veterans to be neccessary, that’s not at all what I mean.
What I believe is that for there to be peace it was absolutely neccessary from the get up and go for the 44th President to make it clear the only way a terrorist can see his world and religion and tribe and family grow up and survive was for them to drop their weapons and sue for peace.
That scrawny guy 146 years ago called it LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. It’s taken a lot of suicidal people willing to stick their heads up to get a shot at the bad guys for today to happen. All the dead American soldiers from all the wars, including two World Wars barely add up to and maybe don’t quite add up to the Americans that died fighting our Civil War. For this day to happen. Peace is great but weak people don’t get to enjoy it and I’m somewhat surprised to have been convinced that the new guy knows that.
VVA sue’s Government for secret drug testing on soldiers.
January 13, 2009
I put the comments for the lawsuit article first since one came from a vet from Great Lakes Training Camp for the navy_Joe belle-Isle
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8 Jan 2009
Robert Gipson
Exposed to Chemicals
All American soldiers were used as ginny pigs. Anthrax etc
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8 Jan 2009
chestef@yahoo.com
Chemical testing in Boot Camp
The article does not include the US Navy which says I “Volunteered” for medical experiments in Boot Camp. So far there is a denial that any harm can come of it. Yet, the results were kept at Great Lakes, Illinois, and I found out about it 36 years later reviewing my medical records for PTSD and Agent Orange. Not a good sign these denials.
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7 Jan 2009
Mike Bailey
Thank you
As one of the “test vets” I am grateful for your help in getting the word out, and for Mr Erspamers assistance and his firms cooperation in this attempt to get the federal government to help these veterans that have medical problems related to the exposures, and the death rates of these veterans is excessive, most Vietnam era units do not have a 60% death rate of their veterans, why does the “veterans used in these experiments”?
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January 7, 2009 – Law Firm Morrison & Foerster Files Suit Against CIA, DoD, and U.S. Army on Behalf of Troops Exposed to Testing of Chemical and Biological Weapons at Edgewood Arsenal and Other Top Secret Sites
PRESS CONFERENCE: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10 a.m. PST, located at Morrison & Foerster LLP, 425 Market Street, San Francisco, CA. Press may also dial in to listen at 1-800-919-8049.
WHAT: Complaint Filed—Vietnam Veterans of America, et al. v. CIA, et al.
WHERE: United States District Court, Northern District of California
San Francisco, California, January 7, 2009 – Attorneys at Morrison & Foerster LLP have filed an unprecedented action against the Defense Department, the CIA, and other government institutions based upon failures to care for those veterans who “volunteered” in thousands of secret experiments to test toxic chemical and biological substances under code names such as MKULTRA. The new case comes on the heels of an earlier case the firm filed on behalf of veterans afflicted with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (“PTSD”), which is now pending in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The firm is handling both cases on a pro bono basis.
The current action was brought in U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, on behalf of the Vietnam Veterans of America and six aging veterans with multiple diseases and ailments tied to a diabolical and secret testing program, whereby U.S. military personnel were deliberately exposed, by government and military agencies, to chemical and biological weapons and other toxins without informed consent. This multifaceted research program, which was launched in the early 1950s and continued through at least 1976, was conducted not only at the Edgewood Arsenal and Fort Detrick, Maryland, but also across America by universities and hospitals under contract to Defendants.
Defendants include the CIA, the Department of the Army, the Department of Defense (“DoD”), and various government officials responsible for these agencies. The CIA secretly provided financing, personnel, and direction for the experiments, which were mainly conducted or contracted by the Army.
Plaintiffs seek declaratory and injunctive relief only – no monetary damages – and Plaintiffs seek redress for 25 years of diabolical experiments followed by over 30 years of neglect, including:
* the use of troops to test nerve gas, psychochemicals, and thousands of other toxic chemical or biological substances, and perhaps most gruesomely, the insertion of septal implants in the brains of subjects in a ghastly series of mind control experiments that went awry, leaving many civilian and military subjects with permanent disabilities;
* the failure to secure informed consent and other widespread failures to follow the precepts of U.S. and international law regarding the use of human subjects, including the 1953 Wilson Directive and the Nuremberg Code;
* an almost fanatical refusal by the DoD, the CIA, and the Army to satisfy their legal and moral obligations to locate the victims of their gruesome experiments or to provide health care or compensation to them;
* the deliberate destruction by the CIA of evidence and files documenting its illegal actions, actions which were punctuated by fraud, deception, and a callous disregard for the value of human life.
The Complaint asks the Court to determine that Defendants’ actions were illegal and that Defendants have a duty to notify all victims and to provide them with health care going forward.
According to Gordon P. Erspamer, a litigation partner in Morrison & Foerster’s San Francisco office, “Until this case is concluded, and all the victims are found and made whole, we cannot put behind us this sad chapter in American history when the government exploited the very citizens, both civilian and military, that it was supposed to protect.”
Vietnam Veterans of America’s President John Rowan commented, “Over 30 years ago, the government promised to locate the victims of the MKULTRA experiments and to take care of their needs. It now is painfully obvious that what it really wants is for the victims to just quietly die off while the government takes baby steps. VVA cannot leave these veterans behind.”
For further information, please contact lead counsel for Plaintiffs, Gordon P. Erspamer, 415-268-6411, GErspamer@mofo.com. Additionally, you may contact the following Plaintiffs: Vietnam Veterans of America, 800-882-1316 (John Rowan, jrowan@vva.org); Eric P. Muth, 203 874 4595, emuth@sbcglobal.net; Wray C. Forrest, 719 635 9086, FaronYoung2@netscape.com; David Dufrane, 518-546-7870, ddufrane@nycap.rr.com; and Franklin D. Rochelle, 910 346 5484. Bruce Price is available by special arrangement with counsel.
ABOUT MORRISON & FOERSTER: With more than 1,000 lawyers in key finance and technology centers internationally, Morrison & Foerster offers clients comprehensive, global legal services in business and litigation. The firm is distinguished by its unsurpassed expertise in finance, life sciences, and technology, its legendary litigation skills, and an unrivaled reach across the Pacific Rim, particularly in Japan and China. For more information, visit www.mofo.com
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THE UGLY AMERICAN?? Thanks Mr. Sinclair
January 13, 2009
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SSRI PUSHERS UNDER FIRE by Evelyn Pringle
January 11, 2009
SSRI Pushers under Fire
January 3, 2009 — admin
This is a new article by Evelyn Pringle – it’s a great place to begin to learn about the way certain doctors have taken bribes from drug companies to help in the marketing of certain drugs.
Throughout the 1990’s, most doctors who attended conferences, medical seminars and other events were not aware that the so-called “key opinion leaders” encouraging them to prescribe the new generation of antidepressants for everything under the sun, including to children as young as infants, were nothing more than highly paid drug pushers for Big Pharma.
For years, the research that showed SSRI antidepressants (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) were dangerous and practically useless was kept hidden, while the studies published and presented to potential prescribers painted a glowing picture of success. These days, a person would be hard pressed to find someone who does not have a family member or friend labeled mentally ill and taking drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Lexapro and Celexa, or their chemical cousins Effexor, Cymbalta and Wellbutrin.
About once a year, a new round of headlines about all the money made by the SSRI pushers comes and goes; but nothing really ever seemed to stick, until now.
The Senate Finance Committee, with the ranking Republican, Senator Charles Grassley, leading the charge, is investigating GlaxoSmithKline regarding new revelations in a report filed in litigation showing that the company manipulated the numbers on adverse events related to suicidality in clinical trials back in 1989, to make it appear that Paxil did not increase the risk of patients experiencing suicidal behavior when, in fact, trial subjects on Paxil were eight times more likely to attempt or commit suicide than patients taking placebos.
Quite a few of the top pushers are also under investigation by the Committee due to revelations that millions of dollars has changed hands between the SSRI makers and the academics who signed off on some of the most fraudulently reported research in the history of modern medicine. A full list of names is easy to compile by scanning the literature on SSRI studies conducted on children. The same names appear repeatedly.
In alphabetical order, the Fortune 500 team of pushers, at a minimum, includes Drs Joseph Biederman, David Brent, Jeffrey Bridge, Daniel Casey, David Dunner, Graham Emslie, Daniel Geller, Robert Gibbons, Frederick Goodwin, Martin Keller, Andrew Leon, John Mann, John March, Charles Nemeroff, John Rush, Neal Ryan, David Shaffer, and Karen Wagner.
Truth Buried in Litigation Graveyard
On February 6, 2007, the world famous historian on psycho-pharmacology, Dr David Healy, published a commentary entitled, “Why you should never trust new wonder drugs,” in the UK’s Daily Mail stating:
“Ten years ago, I sat faced with boxes and boxes that contained a dirty secret. Inside were thousands of confidential internal company documents about Prozac.”
“The secret they revealed was that public statements about the safety of the drug were a lie; that the company knew Prozac was responsible for a raised risk of suicide and was only slightly more effective than a placebo.”
Several years later, Dr Healy recounts, he was faced with the secrets of Paxil. “No one outside the two companies, and few within them,” he writes, “knew what those boxes contained; I saw them because I was an expert witness in a court case.”
“Documents prised out of companies by American court cases,” he says, “have become the main way we have of discovering the truth about some of our best-selling drugs.”
“The scientific literature, the very place doctors would look for a warning,” he writes, “contained barely a hint of problems.”
“What’s more, no one seems likely ever to have to answer for what appears to be fraud,” he points out.
“In other organizations when evidence of disregard for public safety emerges, heads roll,” Dr Healy said. “But there have been no resignations following these drug disasters – barely a flicker of embarrassment.”
The UK’s medicines “watchdog,” the British Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, he reports, “has never taken any action against the academics who make fraudulent claims in ghostwritten articles, nor doctors working for the companies who repeat such claims, even when they have been shown to be untrue.”
“And no one in Britain,” he points out, “has any means of finding out why their husband or child might have died.”
Seven years before Dr Healy wrote this commentary, in a Prozac case for which he served as an expert witness, the plaintiff’s legal team learned that Eli Lilly had withheld evidence in a jury trial when the May 7, 2007 Boston Globe reported that Lilly had agreed to pay $20 million for the rights to a patent on a new version of Prozac that would reduce “akathisia,” the very side effect long believed to increase the risk of suicidal behavior, three months before the trial began.
While testifying under oath, Lilly researcher, Gary Tollefson, had told the jury, “there is absolutely no medically sound evidence of an association between any antidepressant medicine, including Prozac, and the induction of suicidal ideation or violence.”
When in fact, the wording in the patent for the new formula stated “fluoxetine (Prozac) produces a state of inner restlessness (akathisia), which is one of its more significant side effects,” and the “adverse effects which are decreased by administering the R(-) isomer of fluoxetine include but are not limited to headaches, nervousness, anxiety, insomnia, inner restlessness (akathisia), suicidal thoughts and self mutilation.”
Patients who lived to talk about a failed suicide attempt have described the SSRI-induced akathisia, as being so unbearable that their only option for relief seemed to be death.
America’s Most Wanted
Dr Daniel Casey was a major player in the SSRI drug-push and useful in many ways to the companies promoting the drugs. He was the chairman of the very first FDA advisory committee that met in 1991, to decide whether a warning about the increased risk of suicide should be added to the label of Prozac, the first SSRI approved in the US, and voted it down. He was also the chairman of the advisory panel that voted to approve Zoloft for Pfizer later that same year.
Bob Sorenson was a sales representative for Pfizer for 21 years. He moved to Oregon shortly before Zoloft was approved. During the first week at his new location, Pfizer’s chief of marketing at the time told him he needed to start calling on a doctor by the name of Dr Daniel Casey at the V.A. in Portland because he was very important to the company.
Dr Casey worked at the V.A., but never treated patients for depression, Mr Sorenson says. “His expertise [was] psychotropic drugs and experimentation.”
The chief of marketing said he was interested in finding out what Dr Casey thought of the company’s new drug, Zoloft. The company tried to call on him that day, but Dr Casey was not in. Mr Sorenson called on him later in the week and learned that Dr Casey was the lead investigator on Zoloft, which was up for approval by the FDA advisory committee Dr Casey chaired.
“He said I shouldn’t be there, but I did ask how it looks for the drug and he said very well,” Mr Sorenson recalls.
Dr Casey ended up making a ton of money from Zoloft. “He told me personally one time that he made enough from Pfizer in one year to purchase two cars,” Mr Sorenson reports.
Dr Casey became a member of Pfizer’s Advisory Board for Zoloft, which meant “all expense paid trips,” including honorariums, to anywhere Pfizer wanted him to advise, at any location in the world, Mr Sorenson explains.
“Many speakers were sought out that would only give lectures that put Zoloft in a positive light,” he notes, “there was no room for a balanced lecture.”
“Dr Casey later became one of the most sought after speakers for the Pfizer promotion of Zoloft,” he says, “the reps loved him because of his positioning of Zoloft.”
Mr Sorenson was often told to take information to speakers, “including Dr Casey, to have them add the information to their lectures,” he reports. “I look back at it now and see how wrong it was,” he states.
“As far as the suicide issue,” Mr Sorenson says, “the standard company line was that parents and doctors should be monitoring these kids because after being on Zoloft they finally feel good enough that they can carry out their suicide tendencies.”
“Another tactic was to blame Paxil and Effexor,” he recalls, “it was those drugs that caused suicidal tendencies, not Zoloft.”
“Finally,” he notes, “the statement was made that if they didn’t take Zoloft, they probably would have committed suicide anyway.”
Sales reps would practice and rehearse these statements at sales meetings to be able to respond to concerns or objections raised by Doctors about Zoloft’s relationship to suicidality, he says. “There would be contests as to who could detail the drug the best with objections,” he recalls.
Pfizer was able to get rid of employees and still keep them quiet, he says, by offering severance packages of up to a year’s salary, while forcing them to sign a confidentiality agreement, in which they promised not to sue, or speak adversely about Pfizer, as part of the deal.
Many people were so surprised at being terminated that they felt forced to sign because Pfizer kept the pressure on, he explains. They feared they wouldn’t find another job before financial problems set in, but regretted signing the agreement later, he says.
Mr Sorenson did not sign an agreement when he was fired. His young son had developed cancer, but Pfizer expected him to continue to attend out-of-town meetings and refused to believe that his son was terminally ill, he recalls. After 20 years with the company, Mr Sorenson was let go when he insisted that he needed to remain near his dying son and distraught wife. The Sorenson’s son passed away on April 1, 2005.
Going rate for Legal Drug Pushers
SEC filings for Cypress Bioscience provide a good source for estimating how much money legal drug pushers can make each year, from each company, because the names of several appear in these filings. According to its website, “Cypress Bioscience is committed to developing and commercializing pharmaceutical products and personalized medicine laboratory services that allow physicians to serve unmet medical needs.”
Drs Martin Keller and Charles Nemeroff, two of the most prolific depression-mongers, have served on the company’s board of directors, on its scientific advisory board and as consultants for this company. Under their 2004 Consulting Agreements, Cypress was required to pay them $50,000 per year for services rendered up to and including “two days per fiscal quarter.” In addition, the company could request additional services at a rate of $5,000 per day.
During 2003, Dr Nemeroff was paid $19,000 for additional services under his agreement, and Dr Keller was paid an extra $18,000. But they were only making $2,000 per day that year. As members of the Psychopharmacology Advisory Board, Dr Nemeroff earned $19,000 and Dr Keller $18,000 in 2003.
For their service as directors of the company in 2002, they each received $24,000. They were also offered stock options regularly. Cypress is only company. A bio on Dr Keller in a July 25, 2002 agenda for an annual meeting states that he is also a consultant to, “Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Forest Laboratories, Janssen, Merck, Inc, Organon, Otsuka Pharmacia/Upjohn, Pharmastar, Pfizer, Inc. and Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories.”
It also shows he serves on the scientific advisory boards of, “Bristol-Myers Squibb, Cephalon, Cyberonics, Inc., Eli Lilly, Forest Laboratories, Merck, Inc, Mitsubishi, Organon, Pfizer, Sepracor, Scirex, SmithKline Beecham, Somerse, Vela Pharmaceuticals and Wyeth-Ayerst.”
Dr David Dunner and a few more of the usual suspects appear in the Cypress SEC filings as advisory board members as well.
Dr Nemeroff’s role in the prostitution of research is legendary. In April 2004, Shannon Brownlee, author of, “Overtreated,” wrote an article in the Washington Monthly entitled, “Doctors Without Borders,” after he was caught failing to disclose his financial ties to the companies whose treatments he promoted in a paper in Nature Neuroscience, and noted:
“With financial ties to nearly two dozen drug and biotech companies, Dr. Charles B. Nemeroff may hold some sort of record among academic clinicians for the most conflicts of interest.
“A psychiatrist, a prominent researcher, and chairman of the department of psychiatry and behavioral science at Emory University in Atlanta, Nemeroff receives funding for his academic research from Eli Lilly, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Wyeth-Ayerst–indeed from virtually every pharmaceutical house that manufactures a drug to treat mental illness.
“He also serves as a consultant to drug and biotech companies, owns their stocks, and is a member of several speakers’ bureaus, delivering talks–for a fee–to other physicians on behalf of the companies’ products.”
Dr Nemeroff stood to “reap as much as $1 million in stock” from just one company that manufactured one of the products in his Nature Neuroscience paper, she noted.
“But the drug industry’s most powerful means of boosting the bottom line is funding research,” Ms Brownlee writes, “which allows companies to control, or at least influence, a great deal of what gets published in the medical journals, effectively turning supposedly objective science into a marketing tool.”
She notes how companies are able to routinely delay or prevent the publication of data and specifically how the majority of studies which found antidepressants to be no better than placebos, “never saw print in medical journals.”
In conclusion, she states, “I’m struck more than anything by the apparent lack of shame among clinicians when it comes to this issue.”
Two years later, on July 19, 2006, the Wall Street Journal reported that the journal, Neuropsychopharmacology, published by the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ACNP), planned to publish a correction of a favorable review of a new depression treatment device because it failed to list the ties of the eight academic authors to the device maker, Cyberonics, including lead author Dr Nemeroff, the editor of Neuropsychopharmacology at that time. The FDA had approved the VNS device in July 2005 over the objections of “more than 20″ FDA scientists, Bloomberg reported a day earlier on July 18, 2006.
“This is about as classic an example as you’ll ever find of conflict of interest and manipulation by thought leaders who are beholden to corporations,” Dr Bernard Carroll, a member of the ACNP, told Bloomberg. “This article is a piece of a slick, skillfully coordinated PR campaign directed by the corporation,” he said.
Ten days before the Wall Street Journal article, Cyberonics had sponsored a little noticed symposium on treatment-resistant depression at the annual Collegium Internationale Neuro-Psychopharmacologicum Meeting. The main presenters at the July 9, 2006 event were Drs Nemeroff, Dunner, and Keller (the lead author of the infamous Paxil “Study 329” on adolescents).
“In recent years, new treatment modalities have emerged, among them, the only FDA-approved treatment option specifically designed for this patient population, VNS Therapy,” Dr Dunner stated in a press release for the event.
Dr Dunner was one of the authors vouching for the new device in the Neuropsychopharmacology paper. However, a “stamp of approval” from this guy should be taken with a grain of salt. Back in March 1995, he also vouched for Paxil as lead author of a study titled, “Reduction of suicidal thoughts with paroxetine in comparison with reference antidepressants and placebo,” in the journal of European Neuropsychopharmacology. However, he later admitted that he never reviewed any of the actual data from that study.
Dr Nemeroff apparently learned nothing from the public embarrassment of the previous scandals. Last week, he was forced to step down as Chair of Emory’s psychiatry department. According to a December 23, 2008 posting by Ed Silverman, on the popular blog, Pharmalot:
“Under pressure from a US Senate Finance Committee investigation, renowned psychiatrist Charles Nemeroff is giving up the post he held for 17 years and must follow new restrictions on his outside activities, according to an Emory University statement.”
“Emory’s own investigation found Nemeroff received more than $800,000 from Glaxo, which paid Nemeroff more than any other drugmaker, but he never reported the fees. There were more than 250 speaking engagements between 2000 and 2006.”
“Moreover, Emory will not submit any National Institutes of Health grant or other sponsored grant or contract requests in which Nemeroff is listed as an investigator or has any other role for a period of at least two years,” Pharmalot reports.
All total, Dr Nemeroff earned more than $2.8 million from drug companies between 2000 and 2007, but failed to disclose at least $1.2 million to Emory, according to the Senator.
Dr Keller’s disclosure records are under investigation as well He also appears center stage in a new book by former Boston Globe reporter, Alison Bass, called, “Side Effects: A Prosecutor, a Whistleblower, and a Bestselling Antidepressant on Trial,” The book contains a treasure trove of insider revelations with specifics on Dr Keller’s endless conflicts of interest, along with other academics on the take. However, Ms Bass first broke the Keller story back on October 4, 1999, in the Globe, when she reported that he was forced to forfeit “hundreds of thousands of dollars” in state grant money in 1998.
She explained how in the same year that Dr Keller authored a review article in “Biological Psychiatry,” and concluded that the newer antidepressants Zoloft, Bristol-Meyer’s Serzone, and Wyeth’s Effexor were more effective, he received $77,400 in personal income and $1.2 million in research funding from Bristol-Myers, as well as $8,785 in personal income from Wyeth.
In “Side Effects,” she notes that Dr Keller did not report any income to the IRS from Glaxo for 1998, but says he did receive money from the Paxil maker, and also earned $62,500 from Celexa maker Forest Labs that year.
Dr Keller published 3 studies, “with colleagues,” in the Journal of the American Medical Association and the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, touting the efficacy of Zoloft in 1998, and received $218,000 in personal income and more than $3 million in research funding from Pfizer the same year, Ms Bass reports.
The “colleagues,” referred to include the all-time champion of child drugging, Dr Joseph Biederman, the main promoter of the bogus epidemic of childhood bipolar disorder. He too is under investigation for taking $1.6 million from drug companies between 2000 and 2007, and only disclosing a fraction of that amount to Harvard. On December 30, 2008, Harvard’s teaching hospital, Massachusetts General announced that Dr Biederman was no longer participating in several industry-funded trials and had agreed to “not to participate in any outside activities that are paid for or sponsored by industry, such as consulting activities or speaking engagements.”
In most of the SSRI trials conducted on children, “colleagues,” will also include Dr Graham Emslie of Prozac fame, and the Zoloft Czar, Dr Karen Wagner, both from the University of Texas.
Back in April 2004, the British Medical Journal published a paper by a research team led by Dr Jon Jureidini, head of the department of psychological medicine at Women’s and Children’s Hospital in Australia, after a review of the clinical trial data on the safety and efficacy of antidepressant use with children. The review included the published trials, along with some unpublished data made public by the Committee on Safety of Medicines in the UK.
The Australian team was extremely critical of the published papers on the major trials of Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, with Emslie, Wagner and Keller listed as lead authors. “In discussing their own data,” the team wrote, “the authors of all of the four larger studies have exaggerated the benefits, downplayed the harms, or both.”
“It is vital,” they wrote, “that authors, reviewers, and editors ensure that published interpretations of data are more reasonable and balanced than is the case in the industry-dominated literature on childhood antidepressants.”
Seven months later, the New York Times ran a report by Barry Meier on November 29, 2004, throwing another spotlight on the trail of corruption within the SSRI research factories, and zeroed in on Dr Wagner. He noted that, from 1998 to 2001, she was one of several researchers participating in more than a dozen industry-funded pediatric trials of antidepressants and other drugs, and that some of the results were published, but many were not.
In her Zoloft study, Dr Wagner acknowledged that she had received “research support” from several drug makers including Pfizer, which paid $80,000 to the center in connection with the test, Mr Meier reports. But she did not state that she received “sizable payments” from Pfizer for work related to the study, he says.
The same month that patients were first recruited for the Zoloft trial, in a financial filing with the school in December 1992, Dr Wagner reported that she received more than $10,000 from Pfizer, with no further details. A lawyer for the school told Meier that Dr Wagner said Pfizer had paid her $20,500 during the course of the Zoloft trial. But records for payments she received in speaking and consulting fees could not be located.
In September, Dr Wagner’s name was added to the Senator Grassley’s investigative roster, along with Dr John Rush. Between 2000 and 2005, Glaxo alone paid Dr Wagner $160,404, but only $600 was disclosed to the University, according to the Senator. She was also paid over $11,000 in 2002, by Eli Lilly, and that money was not disclosed either. Lilly paid Dr Rush $17,802 in 2001, but he only reported $3,000, Senator Grassley said.
Dr Emslie’s financial trail to the drug makers gained media attention last summer due to his prominent role in the “Texas Children’s Medication Algorithm Project,” and the creation of a drug formularies for children. He was chairman of the panel that wrote guidelines instructing doctors to prescribe SSRIs off-label to kids for depression in 1998. On August 18, 2008, the Dallas Morning News ran the headline: “Conflict of interest fears halt children’s mental health project.”
“A state mental health plan naming the preferred psychiatric drugs for children has been quietly put on hold over fears drug companies may have given researchers consulting contracts, speakers fees or other perks to help get their products on the list,” the News reported. University disclosure forms indicate that Dr Emslie “has made at least $130,000 in drug company speakers fees and consulting contracts since 2002,” the paper noted.
In discussing the investigation of Dr Wagner on the Senate floor, Dr Grassley pointed out that she was a co-author on Paxil Study 329. In 2001, when the study was published, Glaxo “reported paying her $18,255,” he said. “Study 329 was cited in a New York case where GlaxoSmithKline was charged with ‘repeated and persistent fraud,’” the Senator added.
Dr Emslie was also a co-author on the Paxil study and a check of the full list for 329, reveals that 5 of the co-authors appear with Dr Emslie on the guidelines for the “Children’s Medication Algorithm Project,” including Karen Wagner, Boris Birmaher, Barbara Geller, Neil Ryan and Michael Strober. Dr Rush’s name is also on the Texas guidelines but he moved to Singapore last August.
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The SSRI trap – 40% of the population on anti-depressants in West Belfast
March 5, 2008 — admin
Up to 40 per cent of adults in some parts of West Belfast are popping ‘happy’ pills to cope with depression.
Areas like Ballymurphy and the lower Falls are the worst hit, with many now addicted to strong medicines.
News of the frightening addiction levels came on the same day a study found that anti-depressants have little clinical effect on patients. The University of Hull study tested popular drugs like Prozac and Seroxat.
Thousands of West Belfast residents are prescribed these drugs to combat depression. Although they are packaged as being ‘non-addictive’, many users find it impossible to get through the day without popping at least one pill.
Under new health reforms based on the University of Hull findings, anti-depressant users could be stripped off their drugs and made to undergo therapy treatment instead. This would present doctors with a nightmare scenario, as many of their patients would find it impossible to get through the day without a Prozac or Seroxat fix.
Leading West Belfast pharmacist Terry Maguire said the study would have huge implications in West Belfast.
However, he cautioned against taking its findings as verbatim, insisting more tests need to be done.
Terry said: “Every healthcare professional needs to look closely at the details of the study. More consideration needs to be given because it could have huge implications.”
A senior medical source expanded on this, revealing that up to 40 per cent of people in the poorest parts of West Belfast are on anti-depressants.
“It would create huge difficulties if doctors all of a sudden stopped prescribing these pills,” said one healthcare professional. “Patients who are on them, many of whom are addicted to them, would not know what to do. They just wouldn’t be able to get their day in. Look at Ballymurphy and the lower Falls, I’d say 40 per cent of adults are taking some type of anti-depressant.”
The medical source explained that doctors prefer prescribing Prozac and Seroxat because they are not classed as addictive drugs.
“It’s easier for a doctor to give someone Prozac than Diazepam because it’s not classed as addictive,” he added.
“But there are thousands of people who aren’t really depressed taking the drug. They’ve been prescribed it because of a fear in doctors that the patient might do something drastic if they don’t get what they are asking for. Then when the patient comes off Prozac they start to feel low so the doctor has no choice but to prescribe it again. It’s a vicious circle that needs to be examined quite urgently.”
But it’s NOT depression returning – it’s merely a reaction to stopping an addictive drug.
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